June 6, 2014 A Jehovah’s Witness Church in Kiryas Joel
This is a very interesting story of a Jehovah’s Witnesses worship house in the heart of Kiryas Joel. Kiryas Joel is the Satmar Hasidic satellite community in Orange County, New York, about an hour and a half from Williamsburg. The Satmar Rebbe Yoelish Teitelbaum founded Kiryas Joel in 1977. He had homes in Williamsburg and Kiryas Joel.
Kiryas Joel is more insular than Williamsburg because while Hasidim and ethnic minorities coexist in the housing projects of Williamsburg, and Hasidim and hipsters live next to each other as well, Kiryas Joel’s population is isolated (except for some outside employment for cleaning help and such). This is reflected in the almost entirely white population reported in the census:
Yet despite the complete insularity of Kiryas Joel, as little as five years ago there was a building in Kiryas Joel that was called a church, and it was surrounded on all sides by Hasidic housing. The worship house was active until about 2000, and then it was deserted for ten years.
Here is an aerial view of the worship house in 2006. The white building is the “church” from behind, and you can see the construction of Hasidic housing nearby.
On the Bing map, you can see the worship house in red, the Kiryas Joel Yeshiva in blue, and the Satmar cemetery where the rebbe is buried in yellow.
I admit, what prompted me to look into the building was an old curiosity because of my childhood in Kiryas Joel. The “church” was actually right behind my childhood home. I grew up on Satmar Drive, the street named for our sect. There was a large area of beautiful Hudson Valley woods behind us. It was broken up by a narrow road that led to what we called “The Tifleh,” a Yiddish term for church.
As a child, I couldn’t actually see the church building because it sat deep into the path. Twenty-five acres of woods surrounded it so I had no idea what happened behind the curtain of vegetation, but as a little girl, I imagined it looked like any medieval church I encountered in stories about blood libels and bishops. I had heard that the church bells could be heard from Lizensk Boulevard and it was all the proof I needed to imagine the church as a gray, towered medieval work of architecture.
Everyone I speak to remembers the mass of parishioners who used to come every Saturday. Masses of busses and cars streamed out of the woods every single Shabbes. Because it was right behind my home, on long, sticky Saturday afternoons my friends and I clung to the yard fence to watch the cars leave the church. We even waved to every single car. It was great fun. We choreographed a practiced, cheer-like motion for the wave: hang hand over fence, pick up, wave right to left, left to right, drop down. Repeat. Sometimes, someone waved back, and then we laughed and ran away, a little scared.
I was on the “church” property once or twice while the religious group was still active there, sometime in the 1990s. My father used to go for a leisurely stroll with us kids on Saturday afternoons. He usually walked up Forest Road, but there were times he walked into the church path you see below. I remember there was an open electronic gate at the entrance and the road leading up to the church was beautiful — waterfalls and flora — but my father didn’t go far enough for us to actually see the “church.”
Fast forward to about 2000, and the cars stopped coming. We didn’t know it then, but the congregation had moved out. As far as I know, there was no conflict between the Hasidim and the religious group. I don’t know why they sold, but they sold for $2.5 million to a Hasid, and the price tag may have had something to do with it.
The building then stayed vacant for ten more years, until about 2010 when it was demolished. The whole twenty-five-acre property was not cleared for construction until now — in 2014. I hear lots are now being sold for a quarter million per single-family lot.
Recently, when I noticed they are starting construction there, I decided to research the “church.” Here’s its story:
It was built by Jehovah’s Witness in approximately 1972. The Witnesses are an unusual religious group. Relative to religion, this one is young, founded in 1870. The belief system is a radical offspring of Christianity. According to Wikipedia, the Witnesses are known for their aggressive proselytization. They go door to door and ask if they can share a word about “the truth,” or Jehovah, or a passage from the Bible. They tend to be very insistent. They also do not allow blood transfusions, military service, or celebrations of birthdays, and believe that everyone who isn’t a Witness is doomed. Their leaders have unsuccessfully predicted the end of the world many times, beginning in 1914.
They meet about once a week or twice a week in a Kingdom Hall, but it seems these meetings aren’t prayer services; they are more like sermons or Bible study sessions. While most of their locations are Kingdom Halls, the one behind my childhood home was not. It was a much larger Assembly Hall, as it served many congregations from the tri-state area. Every week several parishes took turns occupying the space. The members do not call their worship house a “church,” but somehow that is how Hasidim referred to it.
Here is a picture of the Jehovah’s Witness Assembly Hall that was active near Kiryas Joel from about 1970 to 2000. The photo was taken approximately in late 1970.
Image of interior source: Reddit
The Witnesses sold the property to dissident Hasid Cheskel Brach at the end of 2000. Zigmont/Cheskel Brach bought it under a shadow corporation Cong. Bnei Luzer. See the link and below for the property record:
Because Brach was not aligned with the leading Hasidic village officials, he could not get the property annexed into the Village of Kiryas Joel, so it wasn’t zoned for multi-family homes. That’s why it wasn’t developed and the “church” stayed so long. In essence, the twenty-five-acre property was an island of the Town of Monroe land in the middle of the Hasidic shtetl. We called the property Cheskel Brach’s Lot.
During the ten years that the building was abandoned, I passed it many times. All the building markings of a worship house were removed. The previously manicured lawns were decrepit and the walls scrawled with Yiddish graffiti.
This is the church when it was abandoned. You can see the water fountain is just a pool of muddy water. Notice the playground set up by Brach’s dissident school that was housed in trailers.
The property was in the news several times when it was the site of incidents of arson. In 2003 and 2004, and again in 2004, among others.
TIMES HEARD RECORD:
Building survives another arson attempt
A former Jehovah’s Witnesses building just outside of Kiryas Joel caught fire yesterday evening, marking yet another suspicious blaze there in a year.
Authorities are investigating.This is becoming a common occurrence at the structure. Most recently, firefighters made two trips to the building on March 14 to douse suspicious fires. While inside, they found evidence of a fourth blaze that had gone out on its own. Days earlier, they put out another fire there. There was yet another suspicious fire in the building in May 2003. No arrests have been made in connection with the fires. The building and surrounding 25 acres are owned by Zigmond Brach, a prominent dissident in the Satmar Hasidic community.
Mahran said officials have been trying to talk Brach into boarding up the building, but so far no one’s had much luck. Several fire companies assisted at the scene of yesterday’s blaze, including Woodbury, Harriman, Washingtonville, and South Blooming Grove.
The existence of a worship house in Kiryas Joel, right next to the heart of everything, is incredibly unusual, and the particular group that gathered there makes it even more mindboggling. It’s interesting to read what the Jehovah’s Witnesses members thought of their center that neighbored Hasidim. What I heard at home as a child was that the “church people” were polite goyim and that they respected the Hasidic lifestyle.
It seems they actually had more colorful opinions. From a forum from members of this faith and members who left their faith, http://www.jehovahs-witness.net, here are their comments.
They are worth reading:
One member remembers the Hasidim “being very upset that the Witnesses ‘worshipped’ there among them.”
Neither the comment about the beards nor about the women showing hair to their husbands is correct, and I know of no incidents in which Hasidim beat up any Jehovah’s Witnesses.
Jehovah’s Witnesses sold to relocate elsewhere in Orange County, Newburgh, Tallman, Warwick, etc. They are now building their headquarters in Warwick. I hear that the twenty-five acres that used to belong to Jehovah’s Witness are part of the request for additional five hundred acreages to be annexed to the Village. The Brach Lot is expected to be developed for Hasidic housing regardless of annexation.
Donna
Posted at 13:27h, 07 SeptemberI had dinner (outside on a patio) with a friend who grew up as a Jehovah’s Witness. She has horrible memories of having to go door to door in Saturday mornings. In San Antonio, Texas. Majority Catholic.
Malky
Posted at 13:07h, 29 JulyI live in KJ and totally don’t know the history, though to be fair i wasn’t even born at the time it was in use.
Awesome article ????
Frieda Vizel
Posted at 13:11h, 29 JulyGuess I’m getting old; we now school the young-ons. Ha!
John Makkie
Posted at 15:17h, 26 SeptemberI remember growing up, maybe in elementary school or younger, in the early to late ’80s ’90s, taking that drive up to the Assembly Hall of Jehovah’s Witnesses for our convention. We would see Hasidic Jews lined up on the path as we drove up like stoic soldiers on watch. It was intimidating. I have fond memories of attending religious service there and the beauty of the view.
Stephanie L
Posted at 12:09h, 25 MarchThank you for your perspective on this – very interesting. My FIL helped to build the Assembly Hall and helped with maintenance over the years. My husband his family attended meetings at the Assembly Hall for many years. They have fond memories of the meetings held there and meeting with friends and family. The only bad memories are of trying to get to Monroe from Central NJ during the winter when the driving was treacherous!. They did mention the Jewish community in the area.
Currently, I work for an Orthodox Jewish-owned company. It’s one of the best places I’ve worked in a long time. Other than the Jewish community – the company is very diverse. Everyone is respectful of each other’s customs and beliefs even if (we – meaning non-Jewish employees 🙂 don’t always understand the customs. The Jewish family is our employer and they deserve to be respected. We often have funny conversations about various customs and the Jewish employee are always glad to answer qq
Frieda Vizel
Posted at 12:12h, 25 MarchThanks for a great comment! If you have old pictures of the Assembly Hall, I’d love to post a collection of pictures. Maybe ask your father in law? It would be so great to have pictures.
Sally
Posted at 16:29h, 28 MarchI have been a Jehovahs Witness for 35 years and love being one. We follow the Bible completely and believe Jesus is our savior who fulfilled over 289 prophecies, also showed love for others by going from house to house, so I copy his perfect example of love. Since studying the Bible I’ve come to know the true God Jehovah(Yahweh) and left my Catholic upbringing to give Him the honor he deserves. Holidays you mentioned are all Catholic paganism, also the law on blood is from the beginning of time found in the Bible. So don’t degrade us by your friends negativity. We are indeed the nicest cleanest holy people on the earth today.
Anonymous
Posted at 07:41h, 05 MayI wasn’t from Monroe but my in laws were and we had family on Lizensk we visited often enough and use that “short cut”. That mysterious abandoned yet still beautiful structure always caught my intrigue. Appreciate this historic devolving into it!
Frieda Vizel
Posted at 08:38h, 05 MayAwesome – thanks for the comment 🙂 😉
Miriam V
Posted at 18:35h, 08 DecemberHi Frieda my name is Miriam. I am the commentor on the screenshots above under the name “Soledad.” I don’t know how I ended up here but I have been watching your YouTube channel for a couple of months. I remember this assembly hall very well, we (the Jehovah’s Witnesses) used this hall from the 1970s up to the 1990s, the last time I remember going there was 1997. It’s an experience to see this posted on your website and to see from your perspective how you viewed us, the JWs. I continued to work for the Hasidim in NYC until about 4 years ago when the owners decided to retire and sell their business. I believe the family I worked for had property in Monsey and in KJ. I remember KJ before it was a village, there were hardly Hasidim there when I was a kid in the 70s but for a few Kosher farms. Over the years I started to see the growth in the village every time I went up to the convention center, which was about 3-4 times per year on the weekends. Yes I remember riding the school buses and seeing Hasidim walking around on “Shabbes.” It’s interesting to see our paths cross like this. Of course I’m not Jewish but I always felt close to the Jewish community through this link in KJ and through my former employers. I hope you are having a blessed holiday season. Your YouTube content is great!
Frieda Vizel
Posted at 18:59h, 09 DecemberThese kinds of comments absolutely make my day. Fascinating to know how we pass through the night from different worlds. Thanks for the comment!!
Debbie Beam
Posted at 21:53h, 03 MarchFrida I am a Jehovah’s Witness in Florida and have been following you on YouTube for 4 years. I think you have heard a lot of rumors about Jehovah’s Witnesses and I think you need to go back in time and read Simone leapsters book about during the Holocaust years and how she was treated as a Jehovah’s Witness and how Jehovah’s Witnesses took care of the Jews in the concentration camps. it is true that Jehovah’s Witnesses could be let out of the concentration camps by signing a declaration but very few signed it and many were killed because of their love of God and never being able to kill another man because we love everyone. We have many Jewish Brothers in our own Kingdom Hall in New Smyrna Beach Florida and in fact brother Rothholz will be helping me to install my computer on Wednesday of this week. We respect others beliefs but we try to teach the truth of the scriptures and the Fulfillment of the prophecies.If other people were like the Jehovah’s Witnesses there would have never been a holocaust .
A.
Posted at 20:19h, 28 JuneI grew up attending this Assembly Hall in Monroe. 99% of the (limited) interactions we had with the local community were neutral or positive ones; it felt like both communities respected each other and left each other alone for the most part. I always remember groups of men walking up and down that really long hill up to the Assembly Hall — most assemblies were on Saturdays, so I assume no driving was allowed for them — and them politely nodding their heads and half-waving to us as we arrived, like they were greeting us and welcoming us to the neighborhood. I’m quite certain we would have accepted their help if we broke down, and we would have helped them as well!
Towards the end, the atmosphere did change, and there were indeed some negative interactions, mostly with younger boys/men who would sometimes get a little aggressive, it seemed mostly about what Witness women were wearing. (That was always funny to me, because to most people, Witness women dress very conservatively, but I guess not conservatively enough for those guys.) I fully assume they were just some younger radicals or troublemakers and not really representative of the Kiryas Joel community, and I think that might actually have been what our own leadership told us…it’s a little fuzzy now. There were a few occasions when we were instructed to ignore any taunting we might encounter on our way in/out and to please not report it to authorities and only to our own internal leadership, who would comunicate directly with Kiryas Joel leadership if necessary, since apparently they had a good line of communication. That is very typical of Witness ways of doing things — they always try to avoid involving legal processes and prefer to work things out through mediation. I’m not sure if anything ever rose to that level; most of us just brushed it off, I think. (I think the fact that it was usually just a small number of teenagers yelling in a language we didn’t understand probably helped!)
I suspect those types of incidents are what people are talking about as being scary memories? That’s really the only thing I can think of, because otherwise, like I said, 95% of it was totally fine. I’d also note that that website is known for being…well, a bit dramatic. A LOT of the users are people who left and are super bitter — bitter enough to still be hanging around on a website for a religion they left years ago! — and I’d take most of what they say with a grain of salt. I left the Witnesses once I reached adulthood, but as someone who ISN’T angry and just gets a little nostalgic sometimes (hence me looking up my old Assembly Hall and finding this webpage!), I can’t really relate to most of the people on that message board. Seeing that they’re the kind of people scared of Chasidim just reinforces that for me…they’re not representative of most Witnesses or ex-Witnesses, I promise. 🙂
Anyway, thanks for the trip down Nostalgia Lane!